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More Reader Comments

This one is long, but please bear with me.

As I have stated before, I appreciate all of the reader comments and discussions. There have been very good, civil discussions, and that is what we need.

Anyway, one of the longtime readers of this site left this:

The bible said “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. It is not life more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour of his life?

and why do you worry about clothes? see how the lilies of the field grow. they do not labor or spin. yet i tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. if that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, o you little faith? so do not worry, saying, “what shall we eat?” or “what shall we drink” or “what shall we wear?” For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly father knows that you need them. BUT SEEK FIRST HIS KINGDOM AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND ALL THESE THINGS WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU AS WELL.
THEREFORE DO NOT WORRY ABOUT TOMORROW, FOR TOMORROW WILL WORRY ABOUT ITSELF. EACH DAY HAS ENOUGH TROUBLE OF ITS OWN!

-matthew 6:25-34

these words contain God’s promises to all his children in this age of trouble and uncertainty. God promised to provide for our food, clothing and necessities. We need not to worry, if we seek to let God reign in our lives, we can be sure that he will assume full responsibility for those wholly yielded to him.

Lets first start with how absurd this whole passage is. Essentially it is saying “do not prepare or plan for tomorrow, god will take care of it. Even if I was the most devout believer god would not just provide me a plate of food. If I just waited for god to provide it, I would just eventually die, that is unless I took it upon myself to seek out the means to provide food for myself.

“and why do you worry about clothes? see how the lilies of the field grow. they do not labor or spin.”

If what this passage and also what Khoellete is saying is actually true, then it would stand to reason that not one true believer has ever starved or died of exposure, because as stated, god would have taken care of the things that person needed.

Also, are we to tell the billions of people around the globe who are starving and dying of famine that it is their own fault because they did not “ SEEK FIRST HIS KINGDOM AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS”? That is extremely arrogant and not helpful whatsoever.

You have not demonstrated that this is a promise from god at all. These words do not actually provide anything for anybody, except maybe an empty promise and false hope.

We could settle this scientifically. I will live my life as I already do, preparing for the next day, not believing in god, and not believing some invisible guy will provide for me. And you can sit at a table, not worrying about anything, not preparing for the next day, merely believing that the lord will provide everything you need. We will see who will be fed and clothed and who wont.

-GRAtheist-

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More Comments: Looking for god.

 

 

I like to answer the comments left by readers in a more public way. This is to allow everyone to read them and come up with their own opinions and get involved in the discussion. This post’s comments come from a reader who goes by the name “danmondy”

Don’t fall for anything but what if you encounter a real God?

The “don’t fall for anything” line is good sound advice. I do not intend to. I have stated before that I need to see some sort of evidence. But the second part of this, the “encountering a real god” part needs some discussion.

We need to define “encounter”. If we mean encounter as in the dictionary definition like this: “to come upon or meet with, esp. unexpectedly”, then I believe that will never happen. I do not believe anyone has encountered a “real god” in that sense. No one has been able to actually prove it. But, for the sake of argument lets supposed I did run into a real god. What kind of god are we talking about? I will suppose you mean the Christian god. If I actually encountered the Christian god, and it was demonstrated that it was in fact said god, I still would not worship it. I would believe it existed, but it would need to do a lot of explaining before I could worship.

But when I say have faith, I mean pursue expecting.

The problem I have with this is that when people are expecting a certain outcome, they tend to see things in that light and bend any small amount of “evidence” to fit the outcome they wish to have. It is a flawed way to search for a god. And once again terms are changing. Faith is more or less defined this way: “belief that is not based on proof”.

It takes faith to look, but God does not want you to believe without finding. God says in the bible “taste and see that I am good.” Those are scientific words. Taste… See…

This is really flawed because it uses god and the bible as direction for searching for god. Taste and see are not scientific words. Tasting is essentially to “perceive or distinguish the flavor of”. Some people can taste some things, other people can not. While largely uniform, it is not scientific and a lot is subjective. See is also subjective. Some people see things that are not even there, some people can not see at all, some people can see colors, some people are color blind. Some people see things differently than others, their interpretations are different. Not very scientific.

What I am really trying to say is why not look for God? He wants to reveal himself to you.

If he has this desire to reveal himself to me then why do I have to look? that is contradictory in nature. Furthermore if he has this desire to reveal himself then he would be easily seen, tested, and affirmed as god. He has not done that at. This justifies not believing in this god.

-GRAtheist-